ANNEMARIE: I was also in a penitentiary, and she was in a prison, and my time was not yet over, but my sisters and brothers were in the concentration camp in Ravensbrück, in Sachsenhausen, and in the concentration camp Dachau. And my brother, for instance, was very bad tortured, ill treated.
QUESTION: Now, which brother was that?
ANNEMARIE: This was Karl, Karl-Heinz.
QUESTION: And how old was he? ANNEMARIE: He was -- when he came back, he was 28 years old. And when he came in, he was 23 years old, when he came into the concentration camp Sachsenhausen. And he died of the consequences of his ill treatment in 1946. He was five years in concentration camps, different.
QUESTION: Did he die in the camp?
ANNEMARIE: No, he came back, and he was accompanied by a Norwegian nurse. And the Americans liked to treat him, because he was so ill. And he had TB, tuberculosis. Yeah, but he wanted to see again his parents and sisters and brothers who still live, and so they gave him that nurse to accompany him. And he came back in 1945 and was in our family, sometimes in the hospital in Lippspringe, and he -- yeah, my sister Waldtraut was with him, and he died one and a half years after liberation in 1946.
QUESTION: How many of your family members died in the camps or in prison?
ANNEMARIE: My brother Wilhelm was killed, and my brother Wolfgang was beheaded in Brandenburg. These were two.
QUESTION: What was the occasion, or what was the reason, for his being beheaded?
ANNEMARIE: Yeah, because the reason was because my brother refused to fight against other Christians in other lands, and because he was convinced that the Bible is the truth. And he stick to the Bible and could defend himself why he refused, why he would refuse the military service. And so he was beheaded, that he was condemned to death, and I have letters as a defense of -- handwriting letter, six or, yeah, more than six pages. It was defense.
QUESTION: Did any of your sisters die in the camps?
WALDTRAUT: No.
ANNEMARIE: No, not in the camps. No.